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Absinthe? In Vail?

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http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=70076

‘Green Fairy’ weed taking a whack at Colorado plants. 5/14/07
written by: Matt Renoux

EAGLE COUNTY - As the senior landscape engineer for the town of Vail, Gregg Barrie knows a weed when he sees one, and these days he's seeing a lot of weeds.

"We have our hands full with noxious weeds so far this year," said Barrie.

However, there's one weed many have seen without realizing what it really is. It is a non-native weed from the Middle East called absinthe or wormwood.

"It looks very much like our native sage, so for years we walked past it thinking it was just a plant that was supposed to be here," said Barrie.

Wormwood, which is believed to have been brought to Colorado in the late 1800s, is also called the Green Fairy, because some say it has psychoactive properties.

"They say it can be a hallucinogen," said Barrie.

The hallucinogenic aspects of absinthe, which can be taken as a tea, has never been proven, but you can find a version of it at most liquor stores.

Mickey Werner is the head clerk at Alpine Wine and Spirits in Vail and says you can find the absinthe flavor in many types of liquor.

"The base component is really an absinthe or black liquorish flavor," said Werner.

The drink is even rumored to have been the key reason for Van Gogh's bizarre ear act.

"Rumor has it that's how Van Gogh cut his ear off. It's definitely an artist drink because of the hallucinogenic effects it had," said Werner.

Of course these days when you drink absinthe liquor all you are really getting is the flavor, because the real chemical in absinthe, thujone, is banned in the U.S. because in high doses it is dangerous.

"Literally, it eats away at your neural transmitters in your brain. Drink enough of it you'll die eventually," said Werner.

Barrie says one thing absinthe is already killing is other plants native to Colorado.

"They tend to crowd out some of the native plants and we want to try and prevent that if we can," said Barrie.

So now realizing that absinthe is a non-native weed and not sage as many thought, it's now on Barrie's hit list for removing plants that don't belong in this neck of the woods.

"It's really amazing how much they have started to impact our natural areas," Barrie said.

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That hallucinogenic bit is correct. The only time I ever tried it, I had this weird vision that I was on board an ocean liner surrounded by gents in fedoras and ladies in 1930s-40s dresses. It seemed so real, it was scary.
 
Absinthe_1900 said:
The liquor store clerk doesn't know what he is talking about.:eusa_doh:

You got it. "Literally, it [thujone] eats away at your neural transmitters in your brain." This ("literally") would suggest that the stuff is having some discrete, measureable effect on something or other - the "neural transmitters". If so, the simplification is stupendously inaccurate, as proved by a brief perusal of wikipedia.

This stuff doesn't "eat away" at anything. It will kill you, though. (I, at ~50 kg would have to consume 3 grams of thujone to kill myself - lethal dose in mice was 60 mg/kg. Since the highest recording of thujone in absinthe was 4.3 mg/L, i would have to consume 697 L absinthe, assuming 100% uptake through the gut, and no excretion by the body.)

And there's no evidence that thujone is hallucinogenic. In fact it seems pretty much proved that it is not.

bk
 

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What's a Neural Transmitter?

That's what you get when you have an inelegant amount of any of the following right?: RedPops mint Juleps....mojitos....Wild Turkey....????:eusa_doh:
 

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<b>Baron Kurtz</b>, the lethal dose isn't entirely important though, it's the median lethal dose (also called LD50 value) that one should look at. From what I gathered around various sources online the LD50 value of thujone in mice is at 0,45g/kg and 0,96g/kg in rabbits, which suggests that the results from other species may not be directly translatable into humans. Not to mention that LD50 doses generally aren't activly tested on humans, it's kind of frowned upon since subjects are likely to die. The interesting thing about the mice though is that at near lethal doses they began having muscle spams and convulsions, so if you go into that state it's a good idea to stop drinking.

Though, as you pointed out, the levels of thujone in Absinthe are so low that even if your almost 700 liter figure isn't correct you would still have to consume vast amounts of it to fear for your life. The EU regulates the amount of thujone to 10mg/l in high proof beverages and 35mg/l in bitters. So even if beverages would contain the maximum amount allowed you'd still die from alcohol poisoning before you'd come close to thujone poisoning.

However, prolonged exposure to a more or less steady stream of thujone into your system may very well have detrimental effects, as with any neurotoxins. The jury is still out on exactly what effects though, anything from insanity, suicidal tendencies, hallucinations, paranoia and apathy have been suggested though as far as I've found none have really been proven beyond the rumor stage.
 

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MrPumpernickel said:
anything from insanity, suicidal tendencies, hallucinations, paranoia and apathy


IIRC, the state of the knowledge is that those unpleasant effects are explained much better by the impureness of the alcohol and other ingredients commonly used a hundred years ago in the production of cheap absinthe. Simply awfully badly made booze.
 

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Shaul-Ike Cohen said:
IIRC, the state of the knowledge is that those unpleasant effects are explained much better by the impureness of the alcohol and other ingredients commonly used a hundred years ago in the production of cheap absinthe. Simply awfully badly made booze.

l'absinthe baignoire :)
 

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Shaul-Ike Cohen said:
IIRC, the state of the knowledge is that those unpleasant effects are explained much better by the impureness of the alcohol and other ingredients commonly used a hundred years ago in the production of cheap absinthe. Simply awfully badly made booze.
Aye, which is why I pointed out that it hasn't been proven beyond being mere rumors. There's much speculation but very little actual proof.
 

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