A Question about German ties ....

[Two Types]

Gentlemen,

hopefully you will be able to answer my questions:

I have just bought a batch of rather sad looking ties, most of which I hope will be saved:

(By the way, the yellow, white, red and brown striped tie will hopefully end up amazing))

They are mostly German but a few French, and I am sorting them out (carefully cleaning and pressing etc) before I decide which to keep. They come in various lengths.


Most are around 51 inches long. Some are around 55 inches. Others are around 48 inches, or slightly shorter. The shortest is just 31 inches.

I am trying to get a rough idea of age. I am sure I have seen tie lengths discussed somewhere on the Lounge.

I was guessing the ones under 50 inches were pre-war. The ones around 51 inches post-war and into the fifties. The longer ones post mid-fifties.

I am wondering whether the 31 inch tie is a boys tie or, I had it in my mind that ries were sometimes that short in the 1920s?

But I wondered if anyone has basic rules they work from (and whether these rules would apply for continental European ties)?

I have started cleaning them:
The first three. Left to right: 1) Pink paisley by 'PERO' (might be from Weissensee) 2) Diagonal stripes, i think it is rayon, marked to a German store 3) The very short tie.

Close up of the short tie:

A couple of fun ones from the batch:

I love this label:

Thank you for your help.

 

[Flat Foot Floey]

Is the pink paisly a PERO or PELO? I ahve a PELO tie that I believe to be from the late 40s. It is rather wide and short too so it could have been from the 30s as well but on their homepage it appears like it is a postwar logo..
http://www.pelo.de/index.php?id=448

I was guessing the ones under 50 inches were pre-war. The ones around 51 inches post-war and into the fifties. The longer ones post mid-fifties.

I am wondering whether the 31 inch tie is a boys tie or, I had it in my mind that ries were sometimes that short in the 1920s?

Would be my guess too. But you have more german ties than me now[huh]

 

[Two Types]

Is the pink paisly a PERO or PELO? I ahve a PELO tie that I believe to be from the late 40s. It is rather wide and short too so it could have been from the 30s as well but on their homepage it appears like it is a postwar logo..
http://www.pelo.de/index.php?id=448

Thanks for the link. I've had another look at the labels and i think it is PELO. Also, if the address on the label is Berlin, it would possibly date the tie to before 1947 when they moved to Aalen (however, I noticed that Berlin is still given as the address on one of the 50s/60s adverts on their website).

I will post more photos once I have resurrected some more of the ties. I will probably be selling some of these, so if you are looking for mid 20th century German ties, keep watching for updates.

 

[Flat Foot Floey]

I also had a second look at their homepage. Maybe the logo on my tie could be older. The 20-40s section shows logos from another brand for hankerchiefs (Pilz) that joined up with PELO after the war. It doesn't tell about the prewar PELO logo though.

 

[Flat Foot Floey]

I found out that unlined german ties are folded to the middle and american ties (2 on the left) have a bigger overlap to the right side. I wonder how it is in other countries.

 

[Two Types]

I found out that unlined german ties are folded to the middle and american ties (2 on the left) have a bigger overlap to the right side. I wonder how it is in other countries.

I'll have to check, but i am sure that some of my German ones are similar to the American ones.

 

[Chasseur]

Great find two types. If you want to get rid of some of the French ones I'd be interested.

 

[Baron Kurtz]

British and French ties have the same construction as the German ones. I haven't looked for a while, but i'm pretty sure that you'll find the difference is in the "Resilient Construction". American ties of the era are exclusively made on the "Resilient" scheme (US patent # 1447090). European ties were slower to catch up with this important innovation.

I found out that unlined german ties are folded to the middle and american ties (2 on the left) have a bigger overlap to the right side. I wonder how it is in other countries.

 

[Two Types]

Great find two types. If you want to get rid of some of the French ones I'd be interested.

I have almost finished carefully washing and pressing them (just two left to do). If there are any French ones among the batch I'm planning to sell, I'll let you know.